Comments on: 7 Things Christians Should Know About Torture https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/ Conversations on Christianity & the Public Square Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:48:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1 By: Richard https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/#comment-97696 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:48:43 +0000 https://www.canonandculture.com/?p=1666#comment-97696 This whole thing is just not right when you have other countries that do not and will not do as the Geneva Convention says. These countries feel that they are above and beyond anything set forth by any country to protect any person or p.o.w. they behead people and kill people for no reason at all and now we are letting these countries tell us that we can’t do what we do to gain info to protect our country. I am not for killing people to gain info but at what point do we say hey stop what you are doing to our people. I do however feel that giving out this info in reports is undermining our countries integrity and security so I feel that these people that make up these reports are damning our country and they should be seen as internal terrorist and traders to our country.

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By: Anthony Johnson https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/#comment-97584 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:25:33 +0000 https://www.canonandculture.com/?p=1666#comment-97584 I have two statements.

1. Terrorists have no rights under the Geneva Convention which is reserved for uniformed soldiers of signatory countries. We have no treaties regarding treatment of prisoners with terrorist organizations. UN treaties do not apply to ISIS or other terrorists because they do not belong to the UN. If they have no reciprocating responsibility in the treaty then they are not covered under the treaty.

2. Once you have killed my fellow-citizens, strap bombs to and/or otherwise hurt children, or take up arms against my countrymen in a terrorist campaign you have lost the independent claim on your life and comfort. If you as a terrorist don’t like what happens next that is on you. If you fit the above description should you automatically be put into enhanced interrogation? No, but if you are deemed to know information that could save American lives or degrade the terrorist organization that you work for we would be fools not to do everything in our power to elicit that information.

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By: Out And About (2014/12/15) » All Things Expounded https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/#comment-96939 Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:05:37 +0000 https://www.canonandculture.com/?p=1666#comment-96939 […] Carter’s 7 Things Christians Should Know About Torture is worth […]

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By: December 13-14, 2014: Truth2Freedom Weekend Headline Alerts Collection | Truth2Freedom's Blog https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/#comment-95964 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:19:01 +0000 https://www.canonandculture.com/?p=1666#comment-95964 […] See also: 7 Things Christians Should Know About Torture […]

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By: Religious response to Torture Report | Episcopal Cafe https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/#comment-95844 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:00:26 +0000 https://www.canonandculture.com/?p=1666#comment-95844 […] to the good. Even better is the extended statement from Joe Carter, Director of Communications for the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and […]

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By: Recommended Readings: December 6-12 | Pursuing Veritas https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/#comment-95780 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:00:44 +0000 https://www.canonandculture.com/?p=1666#comment-95780 […] Seven Things Christian’s Should Know About Torture by Joe Carter […]

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By: Weekly Review | 12.05 to 12.11 | Tyler Saldaña https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/#comment-95599 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 01:00:42 +0000 https://www.canonandculture.com/?p=1666#comment-95599 […] light of this week’s revelations of the CIA’s torturous action, here are seven things Christians should know about […]

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By: buddyglass https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/#comment-95534 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:23:55 +0000 https://www.canonandculture.com/?p=1666#comment-95534 John McCain himself seems to disagree with you. In his speech from the Senate floor he said:

“I have long believed some of these practices amounted to torture, as a reasonable person would define it, especially, but not only the practice of waterboarding, which is a mock execution and an exquisite form of torture. Its use was shameful and unnecessary; and, contrary to assertions made by some of its defenders and as the Committee’s report makes clear, it produced little useful intelligence to help us track down the perpetrators of 9/11 or prevent new attacks and atrocities.”

Full transcript here:

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1a15e343-66b0-473f-b0c1-a58f984db996

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By: buddyglass https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/#comment-95532 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:18:50 +0000 https://www.canonandculture.com/?p=1666#comment-95532 “What about the enhanced interrogation techniques used on KSM?”

KSM confessed, after being tortured, to planning a number of attacks. It’s not at all clear to me how this confession saved countless American lives. Can you elaborate?

“which btw, is NOT a Senate Report but a report put together by a bunch of DNC Staffers”

Not true. The report was issued by the Senate Intelligence Committee, though the Republican members dropped out early in the process. Staffers no doubt played a large part in its authorship, just like all research projects of this magnitude, but that doesn’t make it somehow “not a Senate Report”. The foreword begins with the sentence: “The full Committee Study, which totals more than 6700 pages, remains classified but is now an official Senate report.”

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By: buddyglass https://www.canonandculture.com/7-things-christians-should-know-about-torture/#comment-95525 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:04:41 +0000 https://www.canonandculture.com/?p=1666#comment-95525 “And here I thought cutting the heads off Christian children and journalists was torturous…”

Not necessarily. Barbarous and murderous sure, but not necessarily “torture” depending on how the beheading was performed.

“I think the quote here that is applicable is a quote from one of the “Hangover” movie.. “but did you die?””

“Resulting in death” isn’t a necessary criterion for something to constitute “torture”. I could yank all your teeth out without anesthesia and you wouldn’t die. I could burn out your eyeballs with hot pokers. I could crush the bones in your fingers and toes with a hammer, then amputate them, and you wouldn’t die. Hopefully we agree all those things would constitute “torture” despite their not resulting in your death.

“You guys do realize the rules of war do not apply here since these guys are not soldiers, right?”

The U.N. Convention on Torture, of which President Reagan made the U.S. a signatory, doesn’t only prohibit the torture of combatants. It prohibits all torture by a nation within its borders as well as the transport of individuals elsewhere to torture them there.

“There is a time to put away childish things…and trying to treat these evil animals as human is childish.”

Evil? Yes. But still abundantly human. Imago Dei. See Gen. 1:27.

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